Christianity is a cut and paste religion, nothing more. Because of your belief system you must cling to the one liners. However if you wish to read the Torah along with the prophets from page one, you will see who is way off course. Why is that so complicated? Why not line up the two very different understandings along one another and see what Gentiles would think for themselves. Try doing so without painting and white washing the Jewish Text.
G-d does not need the blood of an individual to atone for me or you. Once the masses find this for themselves, many churches will close up shop.
I told him that his first paragraph is really like saying nothing at all other than, “You people should stop having faith in Yeshua because my opinion about the Torah and prophets is that they are not about him.” In other words, he makes a claim instead of offering evidence. But his last statement is an actual argument, a piece of logic that is worth considering. And the thing is, I agree with his statement as it is worded. God does not need the blood of an individual to atone for me and you. That is not what a good atonement theology is all about. So what is it about?
First, there is a robust literature out there on atonement theories and Christian theology. If you care about this issue, as a Christian or as a Jew, I recommend one book that puts it all together very well for a modern reader and which is by a theologian worthy of your time and attention: Scot McKnight’s A Community Called Atonement. See it here on amazon and here for Kindle.
Second, it is important to realize that a good theology of the death of Messiah is not divine child abuse. People get the idea of divine child abuse from the teaching of unschooled Christian speakers, pastors, and popular preaching. This issue is one more reason for me to advocate that Christian pastors start taking education and continuing education in theology and biblical studies far more seriously.
Third, we should learn more about the multi-layered and profound meaning of God taking on death to reconcile us to him. A good simple out line of atonement should include all of the following:
Atonement is a sacrifice.
Atonement is redemption.
Atonement is justification.
Atonement is reconciliation.
Atonement is ransom.
Fourth, you should learn a bit more about the theories of atonement. The following is a brief introduction to the topic:
In the incarnation, he became like us to identify with us. On the cross, he died in our place and identified with us right down to death. In his resurrection he defeated the powers of evil and chaos forever.
Theologians call these three atoning actions of God: 1) recapitulation, 2) penal substitution, and 3) Christus Victor.
Recapitulation is about God becoming man. He became like us so we could become like him. It means that we are not only forgiven, but that we are to be transformed to be like God. We are to grow into divine love and goodness and to be like him.
Penal Substitution is about God clearing our guilt. He died in our place so that no claim of guilt can be laid against us. It means we have security in knowing that all condemnation has been removed and we are innocent. Justice is satisfied.
Christus Victor is about God defeating death and the evil one from within. He experienced death in order to defeat it and to triumph over the powers of evil. It means we see death and evil not as things to fear, but to conquer. Because we are now part of the community that overcomes death and evil.