Having Fun with Rabbi Lawrence

Okay, Rabbi Lawrence (a complete stranger) commented on my blog at the old site today. He chose to comment on the post where I inform everyone that Messianic Jewish Musings has moved to this new location.

I decided to have a little fun with Rabbi Lawrence. We’ll see if he comments again. His comment is a good example of why you should think hard before hitting a “Submit” button. He is an example of empty arguments and uninformed rebuttal. Past the jump I will paste our interaction or you can take a look here at the old site.

Rabbi Lawrence’s comment:

You are welcome to believe what you wish. Christianity and Messianic Judaism are both false. I spent three years of my Jewish life involved in a Messianic congregation. It was the biggest mistake I ever made. You can not go about painting jesus into our Hebrew scriptures. he simply isn’t there.

Abraham had faith [knowledge and experience] of G-d not something blind has in just believe. Torah is not to be played with to fit your theology or any other. G-d is beyond your thinking and all other christians. You may twist and jam where ever you want, but the Torah cannot be affected. You see my friend, like many others it is only your soap box. Nothing more.

rabbilawrence:

Let’s dissect your statement. I will put your words in italics and respond.

You are welcome to believe what you wish. Thank you. I knew that already.

You can not go about painting jesus into our Hebrew scriptures. Please quote me doing that somewhere. I’m not aware that I have done this. Perhaps you are responding to other people and not to me. But as you are commenting on my blog, do point out where I am guilty of this crime.

Torah is not to be played with to fit your theology or any other. So, how do you know your interpretations of Torah are more merit-worthy than mine? It sounds like you are saying, “Just believe.” But in the previous sentence you indicated that “just believe” was not adequate.

You may twist and jam where ever you want… Again, thank you for permission, but where have I done this “twisting and jamming.” Should I stick out my tongue and say, “No! You are twisting and jamming, not me!”

You see my friend, like many others it is only your soap box. Hmm, you have a soap box and I’m guessing it is Orthodox Judaism. Why are you allowed to have a soap box and I am not? Didn’t you give me permission at the beginning to have a soap box? Are you retracting permission now?

Derek “twist and jam” Leman

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9 Responses to Having Fun with Rabbi Lawrence

  1. Dan Benzvi says:

    “Torah is not to be played with to fit your theology or any other. So, how do you know your interpretations of Torah are more merit-worthy than mine? It sounds like you are saying, “Just believe.” But in the previous sentence you indicated that “just believe” was not adequate.”

    I guess you forgot about it when you dissed Tim Hegg, did you?

  2. Derek Leman says:

    Hey, Dan Benzvi, always fun to hear from you. You are right that I wrote an article dissing Tim Hegg. But what I don’t understand is what this has to do with Torah or my response to Rabbi Lawrence. Are you saying that in publicly criticizing the writings of Tim Hegg I violated Torah? I don’t mind if you wish to speak your mind about that, but it hardly seems the place here where we are dealing with Rabbi Lawrence’s comments about Yeshua.

  3. benicho says:

    I believe Dan is saying you should be more cautious when employing the “So, how do you know your interpretations of Torah are more merit-worthy than mine?”, in defense of Hegg when you posted about his beliefs.

  4. Dan Benzvi says:

    Good observation Benicho, which somehow escaped Derek’s wisdom……

  5. benicho says:

    Is he stating that Messiah isn’t in the Torah? If so, has he not read Talmud?

  6. Heh. Well, that’s amusing. Always love the digital strangers who drop by once and leave a digital turd on the doorstep. Amusing.

  7. michael says:

    Well , you squeeze lemons you get lemonade…

    You squeeze Lemans, and you get ” I know you are but what am I…”
    ’nuff said!!!

    • Derek Leman says:

      michael:

      I am probably too dense or your clever comment too ambiguous for me to interpret. I get that you are saying I bite back like a super-sour batch of steroid-enhanced lemon squeezings, but I can’t tell if you think that is a bad thing or not.

  8. Dan Benzvi says:

    Derek, Let me feed you with a spoon…

    Michael is saying that you and your ilk spend most of your time trying to prove who you are, because you still are not sure yourself…… Hope this helps….

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