What if the ruler(s) of the heavens were capricious, vindictive, and immature? At times, life is harsh and it
Wonderful set of posts on Noah and the flood, Derek. I will be keeping these in my archives for future reference. Great work.
>> People are not noisy pests disturbing the divine powers
Sometimes I wonder! 😉
This was educational and encouraging. Thank you so much. It was a blessing to read this after having finishing the parasha Noach earlier on today. Take Care brother. May you and your continue to be blessed and kept, b’shem Yeshua. Amein.
What makes this discussion very important, is that from time to time you will encounter Jewish anti-missionaries who will claim that the accounts of Yeshua’s life in the Gospels are derived from paganism. Of course, if this is really the case, then one could similarly argue that many more stories seen in the Tanach come from paganism.
Great point, J.K. (tnnonline). Derek, great series overall!
The section in chapter 9 where God establishes a covenant with “all flesh on the earth”–does that idea reflect a particularly Biblical angle on the story? I’m especially curious about the rainbow–it seems like such a perfect touch!
Looking at J.K.(tnnonline)’s point from a slightly different angle:
In my experience, many Christians (including Messianics) believe that the Bible is untainted by anything pagan. Consequently, there’s a common reaction against traditions introduced throughout church history which aren’t clearly mandated in the Bible as being pagan and therefore bad. However: if the ancient Israelites were able to understand the workings of the God of Israel through common (pagan) stories of antiquity, might this suggest a beautiful precedent–that all nations should “reread” their own histories and cultural traditions–and redeem them!–in light of the truth about the God of Israel?
I have found that those who have commented on this Noah/Epic of Gilgamesh topic to be very mature in handing this issue. I commend you all! I think we all have a feeling that there are a number of issues where today’s broad Messianic community is significantly behind the curve, either in terms of the Penatateuch’s composition, the early Genesis accounts, and soon enough various scientific issues. The pendulum is going to steadily shift more toward the position that many conservative evangelicals currently espouse, as opposed to those in the more fundamentalist branches of the faith. It has to.
If we can maintain the constructive tone I have seen, we will maintain both the authority of the Scriptures, and not fall into any liberal traps that really do want to make the Bible all fairy tales.
Shalom Derek. I have been following this thread with great interest. A few years ago, my faith was almost destroyed by reading various books from the ‘Critical/Historical’ school of thought. Most of them were by Jewish authors (e.g. Richard Friedman “who wrote the Bible”) and when my (Reform) Rabbi began to endorse them, it nearly pushed me over the edge.
Thank G-d for His grace. I may no longer believe that the scriptures were dictated ‘word for word’ but I DO passionately believe that the Bible ‘contains’ the word of G-d and that the scriptures in their ‘original’ form were the real thing.
I wonder if any of you have read Natan Slifkin’s book “The Challenge of Creation”? I have just started reading it. Any other book recommendations on the subject would be very welcome.
Shabbat Shalom to you all!
An excellent read to consider would be The Genesis Question by Hugh Ross.
Many thanks 🙂 I will look it up.
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