Some Notes on Acts 15, Pt 2

Here is part 2 of some notes I wrote a few years ago on Acts 15. This passage is at the heart of the debate about Gentiles, Torah, and the Yeshua-movement.

Acts 15 Notes: Part 2

Reference:
Luke Timothy Johnson, Acts: Sacra Pagina Vol. 5. Collegeville, MN, The Liturgical Press, 1992.

Recap: In Acts 15, Part 1, we considered that the issue before the apostles was not works versus grace. Although some believing Pharisees had said that Gentiles had to be circumcised in order

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7 Responses to Some Notes on Acts 15, Pt 2

  1. Marc says:

    Derek I might have missed something in the previous entries.

    Where is the text that says that Sabbath is not incumbent on Gentiles to have a relationship with God?

    Marc

  2. Marc:

    Exod 31:13 says Sabbath is between God and Israel.

    Romans 14:5-6 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. (CONTEXT IS EXPLAINED IN MY PAUL BOOK, THIS IS ABOUT DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN JEWS AND NON-JEWS).

    Acts 15.

    Etc.

    Derek

  3. Marc says:

    Derek,

    I’m the type of person that takes the opposite view to debate to get closer to the truth. Please don’t take it personal.

    I always look at what scripture doesn’t say.

    What about the mixed multitude? Are they included as children of Israel?

    Marc

  4. Steve says:

    AMOS!!!!!!!

    So Critical here!!!!! Good for you Derek, so many miss this….!

    Prophecy Fulfilled, put a check in the box.

    Well Done.

  5. Geert ter Horst says:

    Shalom Derek,

    I have a question. If Jews and Gentiles are made equal in Messiah Yeshua (in Eph. 2 & 3), how is it that your viewpoint leads to a second class position for Gentile believers? For, if none of the typical ritual commandments of the Torah applies to Gentiles, then the religion of these Gentile believers is a very incomplete one. It is a religion without holy rest days (like the Shabbat), without festivals and celebrations, without ritual reminders during our daily activities, without any real obligation for a sanctification of the distinct domains of earthly existence. It is an almost purely spiritual religion. In practice, this view comes down to the idea that a secularized lifestyle is the best type of lyfestyle for Gentiles in Messiah. That cannot be true.

  6. Steve says:

    Derek,

    Have you considered adding an additional subject to your blog, I know your a great fan of Paul, why not James and Jude, those anchors in Jerusalem…

  7. Jonathon says:

    Under Torah, the average Israelite has quite a few laws to follow. The Levite also has those laws, but has even more on top of them. So too the gentile has less.

    Derek, if your blog is indicitive of Messianic Judaism as a whole, the depth of knowledge the movement is coming to is astounding. I confess I had written it off as a source of learning, but your site forces me to re-evaluate my view.

    How wonderful it is to see the continuing fulfilment of Zechariah 8.23, that 10 will take hold of a Jew, not to preach but to learn. May God continue to send light on your path, that you can spread that light to others such as myself.

    “Thus saith the Lord of hosts: In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you, for we have heard that G-d is with you.”

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